As veteran state legislator Diane Allen’s congressional star descended over the 3rd district, an opposing faction in her party inch by inch unveiled what they believe is the tantalizing candidacy of newcomer Christopher Myers, a decorated Gulf War veteran and vice president at Lockheed Martin.
"A real man's man," said an early supporter.
The popular Allen just endured a six-month long re-election campaign in which she fairly beat up the opposition by a 12% margin, but also expended energy and capital in a losing effort to pull in a pair of Assembly running mates.
Sources close to the Republican state Senator say she now cannot afford to wage a primary campaign for national office against forces riled and financed by her political enemy, former Burlington County GOP Chairman Glenn Paulsen. If she were to run for Congress and get by Paulsen’s machinery, Allen would of course still face a general election, most likely against the formidable state Sen. John Adler, who today received the endorsement of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
That’s a $2 to $3 million endeavor, and maybe then some.
Allen’s statement Thursday that she wouldn’t run prompted political newcomer Myers of Medford Township to take a phone call just long enough to make his own statement.
"I am going to run," he told PolitickerNJ.com. "I am forming a campaign team. Stay tuned."
Locked in a longtime war with Allen that stems in part from his reluctance to back her in her 2002 campaign for the U.S. Senate, Paulsen earlier this week intimated that the party rank and file would mobilize behind an exciting and unknown candidate with his own money, and his own ability to raise money - unlike Allen, he noted bitterly.
"I never played beyond the county level to get ginned up for raising $100,000 or $200,000," admitted Paulsen of his own prior reluctance to immerse himself in congressional politics. "But I think we have somebody who just emerged."
That person turned out to be the pro-life Myers of Lockheed Martin's Maritime Systems and Sensors business in Evesham Township, which employees around 6,000 people in the area. Myers is close to the man whose seat he covets - retiring U.S. Rep. Jim Saxton.
Burlington County Republican Chairwoman Dawn Lacy said she was disappointed Allen is not running.
"She is one of the best candidates we had," said Lacy, who is warring with Paulsen and Bill Layton - the boss' choice to replace her prior to the end of her term in June.
Lacy applauded Allen for making a choice that would not compromise her. "She was unwilling to cut a deal in order to run for Congress, and she is committed to doing what is right," the chair said.
Notwithstanding her differences with Paulsen, Lacy said she has talked to Myers and believes he has the potential to unite the Burlington County Republicans.
"He came to the process on his own," said Lacy. "He is his own man and is very successful at Lockheed. I've known Chris Myers for several years and he is a person of great integrity who is interested in the position for the right reasons."
Lacy reached out to the Republican chairs in the adjoining counties that along with Burlington contribute to the 3rd Congresional District. Ocean County makes up the other large portion of the 3rd, and the Republicans there have scheduled a Dec. 10th meeting to select their own congressional candidate.
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Myers and Deepwater
I'm presuming that Mr. Myers was VP of Lockheed Martin during the time that company fleeced taxpayers billions for the Coast Guard Deepwater project, a scandal which also involved Congressman LoBiondo. Myers has been a big supporter of LoBiondo financially, so this should come as no surprise.
http://www.bluejersey.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3412
From the NY Times:
"The Deepwater program's few Congressional skeptics were outmatched by lawmakers who became enthusiastic supporters, mobilized by an aggressive lobbying campaign financed by Lockheed and Northrop."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/09/us/09ship.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Clueless as usual
Talk about fleecing the taxpayers - aren't you an "educator"? And haven't you fleeced the taxpayer by getting your education financed through tax dollars? You have no clue what you are talking about. I would love it if you and the Adler campaign attacked the biggest employer in the District. Please keep it up. All of the employees and the subcontractors will run in droves to Chris' campaign with their hard earned dollars.
Speaking of the clueless
Speaking of the clueless "theoc," instead of worshipping at the temple of Boss Paulsen and Pres. Bush, why don't you do a little research into the aforesaid scandal before posting on it? Criticizing the specific acts of one institution or group does not mean that the insititution in question is being criticized.
LoBiondo has to answer for his role in the Deepwater scandal; it is fair to aks what Myers role, as VP of Lockheed, was in the same capacity.
And, yes, I am an educator, a profession in which I'm proud to serve in. What is it that you do for a living, by the way? Oh, that's right, you're too much of a coward to post anything about yourself on this forum.
Now Martin
Now Martin - if you are going to call me names, expect it back. You were the coward who refused to grab a drink with me. What is your drink of choice anyway? Pink squirrel? Or maybe one of those frilly drinks with a nice little umbrella? Additionally, I am not the one posing for a picture with a purse. See, how you make me stoop to your level? As for what I do - it is none of your business. I can tell you that I do not suck at the teat of the American taxpayer like you. As for the non-existent scandal, again I welcome you and Adler attacking Lockheed. It shows how clueless you are about the District. I know the program well. I know that changes are and will be made by the Commandant under the leadership of Rear (don't get excited Marty) Admiral Rabago. Rep. LoBiondo had nothing to do with the problems which existed and are being rectified. You are grasping for straws and playing in fantasy land. Using your reasoning and warped sense of logic, Adler is involved in the Wayne Bryant scandal. He voted for him to be Majority Leader so he had some say in the power gained by Bryant. Adler voted to confirm the Governor's choice for the Board of Trustees at UMDNJ which gave Bryant his no-show jobs. So just like you accused Dr. Walt Rudder of "hiring" Martha Bark, I guess Adler "hired" Wayne Bryant as well. This makes Adler directly responsible for the Wayne Bryant scandal. Can't have it both ways, Marty.
Myers
A successful businessman, veteran, local leader and family man.
Political hacks will, of course, throw dirt early and often but you cannot take away from Chris' accomplishments.
Since Martin will apologize for Norcross and company and will not even look at the devastation that is known as Camden City as an example of what real corruption and failed Democrat policies looks like, then he has no credibility throwing stones else where.
It will be interesting to see if Adler will continue to allow hacks like Martin attack the 6,000 hard working men and women of Lockheed Martin who go to work each day proud of what they are doing who then go home each night and contribute to their communities.
Seems like a bad plan to me.
Additionally
Additionally Martin, I do not "worship" at the temple of Glenn Paulsen or President Bush. I do not worship at a temple - I am Roman Catholic. I go to church. And I follow Commandment #1 and worship only one God. If you mean worship in a non-biblical sense, then the only "person" I worship is my wife. By the way - can you tell me who made this quote "I think the 'surge' is working," describing the president's decision to commit more than 20,000 additional combat troops this year? Take a guess. No idea? It was none other than John Murtha who made that quote two days ago. So keep attacking the military and the 6,000 men and women working at Lockheed Moorestown. Just making it easier for me to raise money for Chris.
A new Chairperson will be elected tomorrow
From the Courier Post:
Judge reverses self in Burlco political dispute
MOUNT HOLLY - The assignment judge in Burlington County has lifted restraints he imposed in a dispute among members of the Burlington County Republican Committee. Judge John Sweeney had ruled that meeting to elect a new chairman of the committee would not be an "official meeting."
But today, Sweeney said that after reviewing more case law, he decide that the court should not intervene in an intraparty political dispute.
The dispute involves an attempt by ousted appointees and committee members to hold a special election to fill the chairman's seat over the objections of acting chairwoman Dawn Lacy.
"I am not satisfied the restraints entered were proper," Sweeney said. "I am convinced that only the Burlington County Republican Committee, whoever that may be, can decide what it is."
The meeting to elect a new chairman is scheduled for 10 a.m. Friday at the Wyndam hotel.
Appeal?
Heard there was an appeal possible. Wonder if that would halt a meeting/election tomorrow?
Say WHAT??
"Criticizing the specific acts of one institution...does not mean that the insititution in question is being criticized."
Say WHAT? You can criticize but it's not criticism? What the heck does this mean?
The fact that one member (or a group of members) of a company or organization screws up, cheats, lies, steals, or whatever does not mean everyone else in the company or organization is corrupt or is to blame. HELLO - didn't we all learn this in like the 3rd grade?
Guilt by association is a negative, shameless way to bring someone innocent down, but it happens in politics all too often. I just hope we're not going to see more of this - from either side - during next year's campaign.
Marty, if you think that's the way to go, I'd be careful. Adler's "guilt by association" items could fill this Website!
Burlington County Times article says it all
Judge changes ruling, allows GOP to pick new chairman
By: MELISSA HAYES (Fri, Nov/30/2007)
MOUNT HOLLY – In an abrupt reversal, a Superior Court judge has cleared the way for a faction of the Burlington County Republican Party to hold a meeting tomorrow to elect a new chairperson.
“The restrictions that I previously instituted are dismissed,” Superior Court Judge John A. Sweeney said today after hearing arguments from both sides fighting for control of the county GOP.
“It’s up to the Republican Party to decide how to run itself,” Sweeney said.
The meeting of the full Burlington County Republican Committee is scheduled for 10 a.m. tomorrow at the Wyndham Hotel in Mount Laurel. According to party bylaws, it must be open to the public.
Sweeney’s decision is a reversal of a ruling he issued Tuesday when he said the party could go ahead with the meeting, but any business conducted there would be considered unofficial because acting GOP Chairwoman Dawn Lacy has not sanctioned the meeting.
Lacy was appointed acting chairwoman in July when Michael Warner resigned as party chairman. Following the Nov. 6 election, she has been battling with a faction led by campaign chairman Bill Layton and influential former party chairman Glenn Paulsen.
Attorneys arguing for the election cited a party bylaw that indicates 35 party members can request that the chairperson call a special meeting. A group of at least 35 members requested Lacy call a meeting through a resolution passed at a Nov. 10 meeting of Republican leaders.
Sweeney said after hearing both sides of the argument that he changed his mind and was not convinced Lacy had the authority to deny the request for a meeting. He said she is only serving in an acting chairperson capacity and is still the vice chairwoman.
Sweeney also said Lacy’s attorneys were unable to provide “clear and convincing evidence that irreparable harm will result if the court does not intervene and restrict action that is purported to be taken.”
Anthony Marchetti, an attorney representing Lacy, said an appeal was possible.
“We respectfully disagree with the court’s decision and we need to decide if we can take further action and if it can be done today or if it has to wait until next week,” Marchetti said.
Goose and Gander ...
as they say, what's good for th goose is ... well ... we know the rest. It is interesting how many times I heard Corzine's supporters crying foul when he was implicated in the myriad misdoings at GS when he was head honcho. By M1's logic, if Myers is somehow tainted by Deepwater as a VP, then JC should have been run out of town on the proverbial rail for what went on under his watch as Captain. As the OC often points out to no avail, Marty, you can't have it both ways.
Well theoc,
If Martin doesn't want to have a drink with you, I will...you stud ;-). And I'll even let you have my cocktail parasol to remember me by. How's that for d'etente?
LOL
Ok, but you're buying. But be forewarned - I have a hollow leg and am a very expensive date!
Run, Chris, run!!
I see a rare, cross-district campaign ad on Philly TV:
This is Frank LoBiondo, who used his Congressional chairmanship to steer $30 billion of shoddy military work to a contractor his committee failed to oversee during a time of war.
Now meet that contractor's VP, Christopher Myers, who steered more donations to Frank LoBiondo than any other congressman in the country.
Any questions?
Someone call the DCCC -- two for the price of one!
Bring it on
Bring it on. You can count out 6000 votes for questioning the ethics of the largest employer in the District. Smart move. Please run that ad! Is Rick Perr running this campaign?
Fine by me!
Even with your hollow leg, I'll bet you can still muster a better vertical leap than this short Jewish boy. What you lose in muscle you gain in aerodynamics (as Chris Myers would likely inform you)...after all, birds' bones are largely hollow for a reason!
On the plus side for me, conservatives make for awesome power bottoms!
Let's set up a date.
Exit only
It's an exit not an entrance. Sorry.
Awwww, c'mon
You demur now, but just give me a chance and you'll rethink the whole way you function ;-).
LOL
I like the way I - and it - functions. But thanks! LOL
Fair enough...
But my drink offer still stands :-).
Deepwater, apologists, Myers (oh, my)
For "theoc": Between us, we know which one is the coward, and that gives me great satisfaction. Behind all that bravado and machismo that you provide is a coward who is too afraid to put her or his convictions to the test in a face-to-face debate. Again, between you and me, we know who runs and hides and displays repeated cowardice.
Regarding LoBiondo, I don't mean to embarrass you in a public forum, but the last-Republican-standing-in-South-Jersey was Chairman of the House Subcommittee on Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation at the time of the awarding of the Deepwater contract. He is absolutely to blame for the lack of oversight in the entire affair, as is Myers, who gave money to LoBiondo and whose work as a contractor for the Coast Guard cost taxpayers billions. Myers shouldn't be running if he doesn't want his public record under scrutiny, whether it is his work as a lobbyist, his presence in the Deepwate scandal or his anti-choice stance on abortion; apologists like you and "abetternjnow" only attempt to preclude examination of said records in the name of distracting personal attacks.
You may defend the corrupt Martha Bark and Tom DeLay, but your misguided defense is based upon ideological myopia and false convictions, the worse kind of political fraud.
And jkasko, who, judging from his other posts, thinks the end times are upon, the bones of the dead will soon rise, and the mark of the beast is here (!), somehow confuses criticism of a person's actions with criticism of an institution. By way of example, though I criticize the American government and the Bush administration for its role in forging the Iraq War to the American people (a war which jkasko and theoc blindly support and think is going swell), I still support and have faith in American governance. Again, read up on Deepwater, get a sense for what happened there, then post on your findings rather than make posts based on ignorance.
Looking in the mirror Marty?
Looking in the mirror when you are talking about a coward Marty? I offered to meet you and you refused. Plain and simple. So stop trying to act like you are manning up. You continually call people names on this board, then cry and whine like a little girl when someone does it to you. Now back to reality. So, what you are saying is that because Frank LoBiondo was in Congress and chaired the Subcommittee which had some oversight of the Coast Guard that he is responsible for any problems with Deepwater? Did he sign the contract? Under which party's control was the Deepwater program developed? Let's see what the facts are. The Coast Guard began to develop the program in 1993 - under the Administration of a Democrat and the control of a Congress run by Democrats. In 1998, under the watchful eye of the Clinton Administration, RFPs were solicited for the program which was then awarded in 2002 for 20 years at $17 billion. It has since gone up to 25 years, $24 billion post 9-11. Now I love the fact that you have a deep rooted hatred for our military and the largest employer in the 3rd District, but even your warped rationale cannot be suggesting that Frank LoBiondo is at fault for problems which existed in a program that began a year before he came to Congress? Again, using your warped sense of logic, John Adler should be held personally responsible for every murder committed by a parolee who used a gun to kill his or her victim. He should be tried as a co-conspirator because as Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, he has oversight authority of the parole system in the state and did nothing to stop the parolee from serving his or her full sentence. Furthermore, as Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, he did nothing to stop the gun from being sold which ended up in this criminal's hand and killing an innocent person. Because, as Chair he had the ability to end all gun ownership but failed to do so. And YOU, as a campaign contributor of Sen. Adler are at fault because your $25 (or what ever tiny sum you think is important) helped the Senator get elected, thus making you an accomplice in the murder mentioned above. Turn yourself in Marty. If you are going to use that logic, we can be here all day with this stuff. And for the last freaking time - I have never defended Martha Bark. But it is interesting to note that you continually harp on two individuals who have not been found guilty of a thing, yet remain silent on the likes of Wayne Bryant - or Rich Dennison whose car was seen loaded with Diane Allen signs. The only fraud here is you Marty - you think you are someone important and a big player in politics but you are nothing but a back bench wannabe. I pity your parents. And keep it up - your rants against Lockheed Moorestown just brought in another $500.
keep dreamin'
If Repubs are gonna pin their hopes on this guy, things are looking good for my home district to finally go blue. Seriously, this rookie is the savior? Good luck convincing Ocean County Repubs that this guy has what it takes to win a general election. He doesn't stand a chance against an experienced politican like Adler. No way the people of the 3rd district will elect a political virgin to a seat formerly owned by a vet like Saxton. I may not be Saxton's biggest fan, but at least he's a competent legislator with experience.
Paulsen lost his chance to keep this seat by waging war with Diane Allen. Enjoy the bitter taste of victory, Glenn.
Deepwater failed at many levels
There is blame enough to go around given the expansive nature of the project. One of the critical factors leading to the problems incurred was that the original planning for Deepwater (which, as the oc points out, commenced back in the 1990s) did not contemplate the events of 9/11. These events caused the original parameters for both the upgrades contemplated and associated costs to change defintively in certain areas. Also, there were over 100 domestic and international subcontractors involved in the project. Unless Myers had direct oversight of the specific tasks that were botched, it is intellectually dishonest to directly assign blame to him.
The most important aspect of Deepwater that any Congressperson should focus on is how to restructure the program to ensure both the safety of our Coast Guard and the security of our nation. Defense contracting is often a hit or miss proposition, as evidenced by the failure of certain missile guidance systems, or lack of utility of certain aircraft for which we have shelled out significant sums. The future of our Coast Guard, which constitutes the 7th largest navy in the world, is at stake. Fixing blame for political purposes should give way to fixing the problem.
I have a vested interest in these problems being fixed as the Coast Guard is an integral component of protecting New York City. My military mission is dependent in large part on their ability to carry out their mission. The fact that Chris Myers works for Lockheed-Martin in no way gives me pause to suspect he is not emminently qualified to serve in Congress and make decisions bearing on my personal safety.
more
Xenu: What qualifications for Myers, other than that he has been a lobbyist and contributor to the GOP and George W. Bush, make you think he is "eminently-qualified" to serve as a congressman? What public service has this person done, and what positions of his do you agree with or disagree with?
You're right that there is enough blame to go around for Deepwater, but the buck stops at the company's VP and the contractor group served by Lockheed and Northrop lost billions in taxpayer dollars. More on the contract that you mentioned below.
Onto theoc: One can usually tell when she or he gets emotional and blinded by said emotion when one-paragraph stream-of-consciousness statements follow. Of course, the oc once again defends Martha Bark and Tom DeLay (nevermind that the latter was indicted and, like a good GOP special-interest serving congressman, sold votes to the highest bidder in Congress) and is the epitome of the blind party apologist who can't see the forest through the trees.
Of course, this is the same person who disgustingly suggested that Max Cleland was probably "showing off" with a grenade in Vietnam that resulted in him losing three limbs and who to this day thinks that veterans receive adequate health treatment in this country. It's strange how those who yell "support the troops" when sending them away into war also support the policies that keep them in a neverending war without adequate health care at home. And yet this person has the gall to call me anti-military. Hypocrite, mon lecteur.
According to a CBS article, the Coast Guard gave the conract for Deepwater to Lockheed in 2002 (source below), so the problem resulted during Republican "oversight" (if there is such a word; I consider it an oxymoron) and Chairman LoBiondo's leadership. According to public record, Myers have given at least $1k (much more is probably likely) to LoBiondo, and LoBiondo has a tight relationship financially with Lockheed
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?city=Medford&st=NJ&last=Myers&first=Christopher
The problem is that the issues with Deepwater were brought to the attention of Lockheed, yet the company did nothing. According to the CBS article, a whistleblower told the big wigs at Lockheed (which must have included Myers):
"Did you tell Lockheed Martin about this problem?" Kroft asks.
"Yes, sir. All the way through to the CEO and the board of directors," DeKort replies.
But the problems continued, and no one was held accountable.
Again, for theoc, we both know that you refused to meet for a debate and that you are too afraid to post any contact info. I take satisfaction in what we both know to be true: your blatant cowardice.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/17/60minutes/main2823448.shtml
Qualifications
M1 -- Myers is emminiently qualified in my opinion based on the following facts:
(1) he runs the sea-based missile-defense programs for the largest defense contrator in the world. This gives him a unique insight into the highly specialized world of defense contracting and technical expertise in this area that very few people possess;
(2) he will be filling the shoes of a Congressman in Jim Saxton whose knowledge regarding defense matters will be hard to replace. Saxton was a driving force behind preventing base closures in this state. Myers is, from what I've read, a genuine bulldog and just the type of advocate we'll need going forward to prevent future closures -- closures that in a post 9/11 world would expose our state to exceptional jeopardy;
(3) He is a decorated veteran of Desert Storm/Persian Gulf War, serving 9 years in the US Navy. I've worked with vets who've seen combat and find them to possess certain life skills unobtainable elsewhere. Plus, I'd hope that based on being a line of fire vet, he would make sure that our troops get the equipment they need to do their job and come home intact.
(4) he was elected to Medford Township Council in 2001 and was re-elected in 2005, so he has served his community at the most humble of levels;
(5) he headed up Lockheed's efforts to work with their partner Starwood to integrate large scale solar energy systems to provide alternative energy to a nation that must escape the grip of fossil fuels. I would hope he would be a voice in Congress to advance the cause of alternative energy.
Aside from the above qualifications, Lockhheed-Martin is a leviathan of a company with many divisions. If anyone can prove that Myers was directly responsible for any of the blunders associated with Deepwater, I will gladly listen. In all honesty, I don't think he was based on the fact that he is in charge of sea-based missile defense programs. The mere fact he has a high position within the company provides no basis to assess blame. As I posted earlier, one could make the same argument against Corzine as head of GS. Can he be held accountable for all the shenanigans that happened under his watch and the fiscal carnage that occurred when his clients' duplicity cost innocent shareholders and pensioners their life's savings?
I believe, based on what I've seen, that Myers would make a worthy successor to Saxton. And I don't say this simply because he's a Republican. Look at kate Whitman. I could never, in good conscience, support her for Congress because she is emminently unqualified. Such is not the case with Myers.
Xenu -- love that logic
Ok... he served 2 terms as a Republican town councilman on a council that has been dominated by Republicans in a town that loves Republicans. Exactly how does that make him qualified to move on to Washington? Will he even know what to do being part of a minority party? How is he going to deal with stiff opposition from a strong, united national Democratic party?
Regarding his experience @ Lockheed... if anything, that hurts him more than it helps him. Like we need more Congressmen who are going to give rubber stamps to defense bills & contracts that sink our country further into debt. I'm absolutely in favor of giving our troops the best equipment, tools, and strategies to succeed, but Myers' experience would only help to perpetuate the military-industrial complex that is crippling this country's financial situation.
And don't spin me with any argument about Corzine. I was too young to vote when Corzine went to Washington, so the fact that he wasn't qualified (I agree that he wasn't) really doesn't make a difference to me. This guy will be lucky if he survives a primary race with whoever Ocean County Rs pick as their nom. But, of course, if he's more qualified than Kate Whitman... by all means that makes him "eminently qualified"... not exactly the highest bar to rise above.
BurlCo Dem
As far as "spinning you regarding Corzine" goes, my comment about JC was clearly intended to address the remark by M1 (my term of endearment for the inimitable Michael Martin) that Myers was in some way culpable for the Deepwater fiasco. It had no bearing on his qualifications, a few of which I listed above. It merely served to illustrate that holding someone strictly liable for misdoings that occur in a corporate setting regardless of any direct responsibility is both unreasonable and can be manipulated to disparage virtually anyone who has achieved any semblance of success in the corporate world.
Moreover, my comment regarding Myers' work as a Councilman was intended to address M1's very valid question regarding whether Myers had actually done anything in terms of public service. Serving on a town council is arguably the most time consuming and thankless job in politics. You get little or no pay and are accountable 24/7 to your friends and neighbors. Two terms performing this type of public service constitutes a genuine commitment to one's community.
Further, Myers' position at Lockheed requires that he possess a tremendous anount of technical expertise in weapons systems. You can probably count the number of people who can equal his knowledge in the field of sea-based -missile systems who reside in our state on one hand. And while the military industrial complex conspiracy theory is often trotted out to denigrate those who work in that sector, the truth is that someone has to not only build tanks, ships and jets we employ in defending our country, but they also have to know how to evaluate such programs with some semblance of expertise. Those with no understanding of such systems are easy prey for lobbyists who promote pie in the sky plans to build items that will never be of practical use.
And the fact that Myers is a combat tested veteran sets him apart from most of the opponents he will face in both the primary and general election. His courage has been tested under conditions you could never imagine. One of the privileges of youth is to speak on things you know little about with unqualified certitude. I doubt whether you have served in the military given the fact you were too young to vote for Corzine when he ran for Senate. As I stated, my life may depend one day on how well we equip our Coast Guard. My unit is headquartered about four blocks from ground zero. I spent much of my summer at Fort Hamilton getting certified in response to suicide bombing and dealing with improvised explosive devices. I hang my BDUs (battle dress uniform) in my office because based on intelligence you will never be privy to, one day I will almost certainly be dealing with a mass kill situation. This is my reality.
So you can laugh at my logic, take my comments to M1 completely out of context and spew Oliver Stone-inspired cliches until you've fully satiated your youthful ego. And I can hope and pray that people get elected to Congress that will know how to defend our nation in the age of terrorism.
Myers, Adler
Xenu: Your reply was a thoughtful one, certainly a more thoughtful consideration than my somewhat terse questions directed at you. Pardon my frankness, but you make some good contributions to these forums when you aren't making lame raps or personal attacks.
Mr. Myers served on Medford Council and for that he should be commended for his public service. My rejoinder to that would be that Sen. Adler served on the Cherry Hill Township council for two years and has served in the legislature for 15 years. His years of public service trump Myers' council work -- just as Saxton's, who began serving in the state legislature when I was born, public service trumps almost anyone in the state.
Regarding his possible fault in Deepwater, I merely want the questioned asked, and I think it is a fair question to ask about someone entering into a political campaign, especially since he is vice-president of a company that lost billions in a public contract tht included updated defenses for Homeland Security. The whistleblower in the Deepwater case suggests that everyone in Lockheed, and that seemingly means Myers, was told bluntly that the work wasn't done to specifications and that there was no oversight. If Goldman Sachs, as you had provided an example with Corzine, has been implicated in some financial scandal, I would think it fair to ask whether the CEO had direct involvement or could have improved the situation. And, of course, with LoBiondo as Chair and a benefactor of Lockheed and Myers, at the very least, attention shifts to LoBo and his role in the affair.
As a war veteran, you can relate to Myers on a personal level of life experience; I certainly respect that. As someone who has had to work their way through college and grad school with very little financial assistance and with limited economic means, I can subsequently relate to Adler, who took out loans and did the hard work to make his way through Harvard College and the J.D. at Harvard. For student issues and education, I completely trust Adler to represent my concerns in Washington, though I acknowledge Myers' service to his country and commend him for it. (Consequently, as someone who votes pro-military, you seemingly didn't support Lt. Comm. Sexton or Lt. Kerry in their respective campaigns. Further, you also know that the Republican Party hasn't been taking care of veterans upon their return home, whether we're talking about the VA problems and Walter Reed or higher co-pays for veterans, which prompted the Army Times to write a scathing critique of the Bush administration. I don't imagine that I can talk you into joining the Democratic Party, but I would suggest that one party is doing more for veterans than the other.)
If you're interested in environmentalism, then you wouldn't have to hypothesize what a Congressman Myers would do in Congress: Adler has already done substantial work for the environment, from helping shepherd through the Pinelands Act, the Highlands Act, and more. This has led to his repeated endorsements from The Sierra Club and the New Jersey Environmental Federation. For a district that leans so heavily on pro-environmental standards and ethos, district 3 would have a more than worthy successor to the pro-environmental Saxton in the form of Adler.
District voters overlooked personal differences with Saxton on issues such as abortion and stem cells because of who he is and his stature in the district. The same won't hold true for Myers, whose only position on social issues I know of is that he's anti-choice, and this will be a burden on him. Conversely, one of my first searches on him revealed that he is on a watch list from the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity for his work as a lobbyist; one of my criticism of Congressman Saxton, a deserved one, is that he was too cozy with special interest groups in Washington and with lobbyist and PAC money. I'm concerned that Myers represents more of the same in that regard.
My argument, of course, would be better in terms of public discourse and exchange if I emphasized the reasons to support Sen. Adler rather than trace back the public record of Mr. Myers and hold that against him, and I'll try to focus on that from now on. Any would-be politician's past is open to scrutiny, however.
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The Corzine thing was more of a pre-emptive strike, I guess.
But regarding his Medford Council service... yes, it's nice that Myers did the "thankless" job of serving on the Medford Council. But, I really question whether that is any real experience at all. Republicans have been elected to those positions without any real competition for many years now. I suppose the fact that he served is better than, say, someone who hasn't served any elected position at all. But when you're going up against someone like John Adler... you can't run on your record of service. So what little experience Myers has gets him nowhere. Plus, I doubt anything that Myers learned as part of the Medford Council will help him in anything he has to do patrolling the halls of the Rayburn House Office Building.
As for the military-industrial complex... you seem to dismiss it far too easily as a myth. Ask anyone in Washington, they'll tell you: it's a political reality. It's part of the military fraternity that cripples this country. Don't get me wrong, I have much love and respect for those in the armed forces. But it's a real shame when the more politically able section of that community uses their abilities to defraud the American people of billions of dollars. And they can easily hide behind the good ol' boy network and "defense of this country" excuse. Thus, I don't see that Myers' experience either at Lockheed or in the armed services is any advantage to the people of the 3rd district. I doubt you ran around in 2006 telling everyone that Rich Sexton's military experience made him a similarly strong candidate. Heck, Rep. Saxton had no military experience prior to his election as Congressman. I doubt you'd say that affected his ability to do proactive work in the field while in Washington.
His military service is commendable. But I find it comical that you seem to conclude that the military is the only place that people can learn the kind of values you mention. I suppose that since Adler was never in the military he's never had the opportunity to learn or display courage?
I may be young, but that neither makes me particularly stupid nor naive. And whether or not I served in the military makes no difference. This isn't about me, it's about Myers and his fledgling candidacy. BTW, love that last dig about Oliver Stone conspiracy theories... this coming from a guy who supports a party that is holding tightly to what little relevancy it has in Burlington County by campaigning on the fear of the "big bad Camden County Democratic machine." People are beginning to realize that they should be more afraid of the BurlCo Republican machine that has been taking advantage of their blindness for decades. Trotting out one-dimensional candidates like Myers won't help turn the tide for Paulsen & Co.
Where to begin?
Oh where to begin with Martin? I must state that I had to redo this post because my first one was full of fresh new personal attacks on Marty, his manhood (or lack thereof – oops! How did that get in there?), and his uncanny ability to tell falsehoods as a way to back up his arguments. Let’s get to some of the point Martin clearly fails to tell the truth about. I never claimed that our veterans’ care was “adequate” – nor have I ever said it was inadequate. You previously claimed that the Veterans Administration budget was “cut” by the Republican controlled Congress. I pointed out with facts that the budget for the VA would increase – at historic levels, not decreased as you falsely claimed. You claimed that I “defended” Martha Bark and Tom DeLay. Again, those are outright falsehoods. I merely stated that neither have been convicted of a single crime, yet the investigation is beyond 3 years for each. Each individual is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, but Martin believes because there is an indictment, an individual is guilty – which is not the case. It was at that point I reminded him about three young college students at Duke University who were indicted. How did their convictions go? I also pointed out that Ronnie Earle, the Democrat prosecutor in the DeLay case, has sought indictments of other political adversaries and has had little success in convicting those people. In some cases, they were thrown out of court because he violated the law. I only wish Mikey had the same attitude when corrupt Democrats are discussed on this forum, yet he remains largely silent on those issues. Now let’s get to Deepwater. CBS? CB-freakin-S? I am supposed to believe CBS? They did such an upstanding, ethical job on the Air National Guard piece, right? You have zero credibility Marty for using CBS. Why don’t you use a reputable source, like say, the US Coast Guard. Now, now, I know you get confused very easily, but I am sure you failed to read my last post in its entirety, so let me restate that I pointed out the Lockheed contract being discussed was awarded in 2002. However, as I stated, the criteria for that contract were set during the Clinton Administration. Which branch of government has authority over the Coast Guard? The Congress? Wrong, as usual. It was the Department of Transportation. And who controlled the DoT at the time? No, not Frank LoBiondo. It was Rodney Slater, a Clinton appointee. His “team” came up with the original RFP – Phase 1. It took 4 years to award the contract we are discussing now. And if you want to get technical, the first contract was awarded on August 20, 1998. Again, who was President at the time? That contract was completed in 2001. You and CBS are wrong. So nearly a decade after it began, the larger contract was awarded to Lockheed and Northrop. By the way, Lockheed did such a poor job on the program that the Coast Guard saw fit to extend the program through 2011 because of its good performance. Let’s move on to Rep. LoBiondo. You claim that it is all his fault, yet it has been shown above that he had zero authority or responsibility for Deepwater. Getting to his record, one can easily see that he had conducted his oversight responsibility as Chair of the Coast Guard Subcommittee through the numerous bills which were signed into law. PL Law 109-241 required the Coast Guard, in consultation with the General Accounting Office, to provide a report on the Coast Guard’s implementation of the recommendation in GAO report GAO-04-380. The Coast Guard has acted on those recommendations, yet you fail to recognize – or even educate yourself about it. There were several other reports and mandates placed upon the Coast Guard which have been met or are in the process. All of this can be verified through the US Coast Guard and the Congressional Research Service, which I found through a third site. Keep using CBS, the DCCC, and bluejersey as your references though. Like a blind squirrel, one day you will find a nut – or get them. Oops – there I go again. PS – when did DeKort say “all” of Lockheed knew about any problems? Are you saying he meant every single employee knew? Are you saying Chris Myers specifically knew? Do you have proof? No – you don’t. Now to your anti-military views. You claim to be pro-veteran, yet you not only claimed the death of my family member in Iraq was insignificant, you personally attacked me for being proud of his service. Do you hate our military men and women in uniform that much? Do you have such disrespect for the families of loved ones who paid the ultimate sacrifice overseas so you can continue to spew the crap coming out of your mouth and believe you matter in this world? You are the poster child of anti-military. You and John Adler, who can’t find it in his heart to teach our children the meaning of the sacrifices our soldiers have paid to keep this country free, are the prime example of the hate and total disregard the liberal left has for our military and those who have fought for this country. Keep beating up on our military and our military infrastructure (Lockheed). You just helped me raise another $1000 today. PS – For the final time Michael, I offered to meet you for a beer at the bar with the best ladies night in your town, but you refused. You didn’t have the grapefruits to do so. So be it.
Burlco Dem
I have been your posts on here and other boards with regards to the candidacies of Fifis and Reilly. You were quite vocal supporting them making much of the same arguments that people were getting tired of the Boss Paulsen and the Republican mafia in Burlington County. How did that go for you? The people really stuck it to the Republicans, huh? One dimensional candidate? Rick Perr has the monopoly on those folks.
that wasn't me
I don't make it a habit to comment on PoliNJ stories, but the Christie issue and this latest divide in the BurlCo Republicans has motivated me to say something. There's another commenter who has a name similar to mine... you're probably referring to him/her.
BCD, your youth isn't what impugns your logic
Your own words do so very nicely.
Read what you wrote and tell me how this applies to anything I said:
"BTW, love that last dig about Oliver Stone conspiracy theories... this coming from a guy who supports a party that is holding tightly to what little relevancy it has in Burlington County by campaigning on the fear of the "big bad Camden County Democratic machine." People are beginning to realize that they should be more afraid of the BurlCo Republican machine that has been taking advantage of their blindness for decades."
No offense, but what the hell are you smoking, son? I have never stuck my nose in the internicene squabbles in Burlington County. I neither live there nor care to invest myself in such a mess. I do care about replacing Saxton with someone who can hold his own on military issues -- issues that affect me directly, as a Congressman's actions reverberate well beyond their home county.
As for you finding it "comical" that I think people develop certain unique core values in the military, your words again contradict your alleged respect for those who have laid their lives on the line for our nation. Do you really think that John Adler developed the same kind of intestinal fortitude sitting in class at Harvard that John McCain did sitting in the Hanoi Hilton? Be honest with yourself.
Again, read your own words:
"But when you're going up against someone like John Adler... you can't run on your record of service. So what little experience Myers has gets him nowhere. Plus, I doubt anything that Myers learned as part of the Medford Council will help him in anything he has to do patrolling the halls of the Rayburn House Office Building."
Once again, I offered the information about Myers' serving on the Town Council in response to M1's valid question about community service. If you are going to contrast Myers' and Adler's public service with any sense of intellectual honesty, Myers' lifetime service includes 9 years in the US Navy, some of it in combat conditions. If you think being a career NJ legislator backed by political bosses and sheepishly towing the party line is some kind of portrait in courage, then be my guest. I have no problem with Adler other than the fact that, objectively speaking, he is a charter member of the Trenton black hole society that has bankrupted our state and he has done nothing definitive to end the pay-to-play schemes have dominated every aspect of our government. Adler is the poster boy for a professional politician and has served his own interests very well as such.
As far as the military industrial complex goes, there have been many instances of excess and greed perpetrated by contractors over the years. By the same token, our defense industry rose to the occassion every single time it was called upon to back down menace after menace when the fate of the world hung in the balance. The fact is that every major industry in America has had its share of scandals. Is every mortgage broker a predatory capitalist pig because of the current sub-prime fiasco? How about anyone who ever worked on Wall Street for a major financial firm? How about the fact Adler is a lawyer -- everyone knows those in my profession are above reproach in every imaginable way. Get real. And if you're worried about corruption, we have plenty of it right here in NJ and it's cost us billions of dollars over the years. Again, what bold course of action has Adler charted to rid us of this scourge?
The bottom line is that no matter what I write, you will respond with what you think is a smart retort. As I said before, my concern is not with which party wins. It is with protecting my country and not leaving my wife a widow. I and those like me keep you safe. Regardless of your attitude, I will continue to pay the freight for your freedoms.
Burlco Dem
If it you are not one in the same, then I apologize. Same name, same argument. I will accept you at your word.
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